Well, that's a very good question!

If I knew, I would be one. Unfortunately it's a tightly guarded secret.

Well, sort of, it's really more like if you can hold your own against the other princes, they pretty much call you a prince. It's power, pure power (or brains and a good facade).

Sammael and Lillith are probably the exceptions, if you believe the story that Antefalken tells about the jilted bride.

Now, I've heard other versions than the one he's told, but they're all similar and there are (were) only 4 people that know the truth.

In that story you had a a primordial quartet, a strand of sentient reality that split into four parts, 2 pairs of male and female.

Adam and Lillith
Sammael and Eve

And they lived contently on a really nice outer plane, nice garden lots of plants and they basically had lots of fun and joy and orgies.

The problem was there was this tree in the garden that was sort of the focal point, it kept the garden together; it wasn't really a tree, it just appeared as a tree, but was really the power source for the outer plane and a gateway to the rest of the multiverse.

Eve somehow got in her head to tinker with the tree and in doing so, she realized that an entire multiverse existed outside their outer plane.

In fact she discovered the Planes of Man, the material planes. The material planes were a lot more solid, they were in fact real. See, outer planes are rather immaterial and wishy washy, they reflect the thoughts and desires of the residents, or at least the most powerful residents, so they are rather dream like. (Or nightmarish as the case may be)

Eve shared all this information with the others, and Lillith and Sammael were not particularly moved. For one thing, there was no such thing as true immortality on the Planes of Man. You go there you live and you die. You are 'mortal' even the longest lived elves eventually die.

But what you could do is reincarnate, with some help, some power etc.

So long story short, Adam and Eve ditched the outer plane and went to the Planes of Man where they incarnated as mortals and had a crap load of babies. Now, because their bloodline was primordial/divine, their initial children and grandchildren etc lived for a very long time, much like elves. Some of them could also plane hop, and basically, or so the story goes, they populated the Planes of Man.

Now obviously there are some serious logistical questions here, and to be honest it's seems pretty naive. But that's their story and they're sticking to it.

Anyway, Adam and Eve eventually died, went out of the picture. They were mortal.

Lillith and Sammael were still around, but without the other two, they didn't have enough energy to maintain the outer plane, and they didn't want to go to the Planes of Man as previously discussed.

So they ended up in the Abyss and lived miserably and spitefully ever after.

The end.

Yeah, well, that's the myth. Again, I have no idea if this or similar versions are true, it's just the basic plot storyline that seems to have gone viral throughout several planes.

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Well, I sort of think that's exactly what Ramses and Exador are planning to do.

Bess, of course, is just using them to get the book for her buddies on the moon. And then kick Tiernon's butt.

So, should Exador and Ramses ever figure this out, they might need a new partner.

Maybe you should polish your resume and have it ready?

If I got it right, they are not created.
But are Type 4 Demons, with enough experience (and magic) to get enough minions, to call themself Demon Princes.

Since a shadow is typically a low-level demon would a Shadow Prince be inferior to the other princes?


Also on other threads I heard people mention posting Jenn's diary or something like that, where exactly would that be?

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Speaking of Books, what about that book Lenamare and Jehenna are going coo-coo for coco puff for?
My theory is that its a cook book.

Oh Freehold sounds dreadful..... my kind of city

Knew I forgot something.

However, as Argh-nargoloth mentioned, it's very hard to open!

I like my thoughts private, which is why I am so close-mouthed and non-communicative.

A lot of people have trouble telling what I'm thinking because I am so tight lipped! At least that's what I've self-diagnosed as the reason for my difficulties in communicating with people.

Well, I'm not an expert on Astlanian dragons, because I don't get to see that many, I know the Demon Dragons which I suppose are D'Dragons...

I sort of think that the Abyss dragons are the demon form of dragons summoned from other worlds like humans/elves/etc that become demons. But not sure.

I have seen quite a variety of size in demon dragons from almost human sized to really really huge, bigger than Smaug, btw, he was a great fellow, little paranoid, admittedly, but nice guy as dragons go...

I can speak to the ice dragons that I fought, those had about a 25-30 wing span (hard to tell cause they were flapping) So they would have a slightly large wingspan and body than Tom. Probably about the same size as the one he fought, although I never saw his myself.

Of course, not sure those things are really dragons cause, they were meltable/made out of ice. I am reasonably certain that the dragons those orcs ride in their raiding parties are organic, living creatures.

Actually, if you look at that picture on this website. You can get a pretty good idea of the organic type in Astlan.

The orcgre is about 10 feet tall, his slave is about the same height as Rupert, maybe a bit taller. The other orcs range in height from about 5'7 to 8' tall.