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Offline Korwin  
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:12:21 AM(UTC)
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I too, expect some reincarnating D'Orcs showing up in the future.
Technically those D'Orcs would then be Demon Princes (the differences between Archdemons and Demon Princes being - supposedly - if they Phoenix Cycled in the past).
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#22 Posted : Thursday, January 2, 2020 6:58:00 PM(UTC)
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That would be the case, if that is the case...

Pretty sure "everyone" would be happy with 20 some thousand new Demon Princes!

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Offline Konicomi  
#23 Posted : Friday, January 3, 2020 8:10:24 AM(UTC)
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So who do the Demon Princes in the court trust enough to oversee their Phoenix Cycle? If I remember its a hit and miss if you Phoenix Cycle without your pantheon watching over you while you go thro it.
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#24 Posted : Friday, January 3, 2020 5:05:28 PM(UTC)
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That is a VERY good question, and probably one reason there are so few!

Here are the ones in the Courts and who they are "loyal" to.

Antefalken's Unofficial Guide To The Court of Princes

One might think their liege lord would be trustworthy enough, I wouldn't, but they might. Actually if you are a good servant that's likely safe, because your power feeds their power (traditional feudal sort of thing)

Of course, the unaligned princes are a problem, not sure what they would do.

And of course, Lilith and Sam have real problems. Who can they trust?

I suppose I could volunteer to help them! Because who is more trustworthy than me? I can't think of anyone.


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#25 Posted : Friday, January 3, 2020 8:39:25 PM(UTC)
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So was no Demon Princes subordinate or loyal to Orcus? he coud have been considered on the same level as Lilith and Samuel or maybe even above them right?
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#26 Posted : Friday, January 3, 2020 11:14:50 PM(UTC)
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Well, the loyalty thing is not exactly a "needed" thing so much as a "useful thing" What benefit you get or etc is between you and your liege.

You note that several princes are not tied to anyone else. In fact most are generally independent.

So, like anyone, demons form alliances to protect their interest, what form those alliances take are up to them. The liege thing, and however "tight" it really is, is just one form and used in TheCourts.

Orcus was always stand alone. But then, given his friends, who needs vassals? Ptah, Singkun, Loki, Volund, etc are some of his most immediate truly immortal allies. Oh yeah, and his kid, Dis Pater.

You also have to remember that Orcus has a lot of complicated relationships already. He is nominally an Olympian, and he's got some powerful in-laws, one of whom not only tried, but succeeded in killing him.










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#27 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 2:26:26 AM(UTC)
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I always assumed that the dampire is the reincarnation of Loki ^^
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#28 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 5:59:16 AM(UTC)
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I always assumed that the dampire is the reincarnation of Loki ^^

Not shure about that, Loki died in Ragnarök not with Orcus in Etterdam.
And Ragnarök happened way before (am I right?), so he had much more time to come back (i.e. Tizzy had much more time bringing him back).
Offline Tizzy  
#29 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 4:49:51 PM(UTC)
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Rede's a bit short and not quite blue enough to be Loki. I mean, Loki wasn't/isn't always blue, he could/can be whatever color he wanted, but he was several feet taller than Rede.

Also, we only assume he is dead since no one has seen him since he bravely sacrificed himself to close Asbru and save midgard from the Aesir.

Offline Korwin  
#30 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:58:32 PM(UTC)
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Hmm, hard to bring someone back who might not be dead...
wait . . . . normally its the other way around :D
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#31 Posted : Friday, January 17, 2020 11:23:26 PM(UTC)
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I've heard that's actually a real problem.

Stories of people who've reincarnated, particularly to a different localverse...and then some super power shaman or priest tries to resurrect their old self and just won't take no for an answer.

Actually, I think that's more a shaman thing because you'd think a priest would be using some sort of avatar who would notice what was going on and just return a "busy signal" but what do I know. I suppose if the worshippers and priests were willing to make a big enough sacrifice the deity might just rip the person out of their current body.

Would have to think that hurts like hell. But it wouldn't be that different that what happens in a demon summoning, except the individual isn't willingly out of their body, so you are ripping out the soul by force.

Although...actually, if you finesse it, and don't cut/rip/tear the astral cord, the new body just might go into a coma.

We know that some astral travelers have bodies on multiple localverses and the empty bodies just appear to be asleep, their astral cord isn't severed, it's just attached to multiple bodies.

Hmm, maybe I should visit a coma ward and see what my demon sight reveals. I can check to see if their full spirit is in the body, or if it's just sort of minimal life support with an astral cord going out. I mean, those that can do this tend to have a lot of animus because they have to spread it out over multiple bodies and you have to have at least so much or the body dies, or limbs rot, etc.

Hmmm

Guess it's time to take a exploratory trip.

Tizzy


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#32 Posted : Saturday, January 18, 2020 1:45:39 AM(UTC)
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Hmm. You know, there are a few stories of heroes being "summoned" from one world to another, and having great power. I just realized that those summoners are actually substantiating demons, but because of their preconceptions, the result is a demonic body with great power, but still looks/acts like the original body.

Wow, that just threw all the "Summoned Hero" stories in my current plane in another light. There's a lot more demons in the multiverse than I first thought!

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Offline Tizzy  
#33 Posted : Saturday, January 18, 2020 4:46:13 PM(UTC)
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It's a very good sized multiverse, definitely bigger than many I've been to.
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#34 Posted : Monday, January 20, 2020 8:44:33 AM(UTC)
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What about the implications of Ragnarok? Loki was able to seal off a section of Outer Planes from Midgard, so that's apparently possible and could be done to the Five Siblings. Think
In that case why even bother with Tartarus? How can a material bridge in the Outer Planes have destroyed their only connection, and how was there apparently a physical doorway that you had to enter to go to an immaterial plane? Was Loki's soul consumed during the battle and that's why he's gone or could he be reincarnated etc (maybe even summoned by Risar). If sealed off, couldn't the Gods make a new door?
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#35 Posted : Monday, January 20, 2020 8:58:21 PM(UTC)
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Asgard is a special case.

They purposefully built it so that you couldn't directly access Midgard from there. They used Asbru to get to Midgard, and some other places. It was a defensive maneuver, think of it as a drawbridge to their castle.

Now that being said, there is a rumor that there is a path through Jötunheimr, which would not be easy, but I believe it was only known to Odin, or at least, so he claimed. But he's dead now, or so we think.

All of those are good questions, the problem is, we don't know the answers.

Obviously, we were looking into it, but only had a few hundred years before other problems started appearing, and by other problems, I mean the gods be damned alfar of course along with Lilith & Sentir Fallon and the Dark Apostle and some other allies we aren't that sure of yet.

That sort of distracted us for a bit.

One presumes that some of the gods have survived, I've heard rumors that Magni and Móði are wandering around, apparently they even signed a deal with Netflix, but then, seriously who hasn't? Other than, of course, me. Can't get their suits to return my calls. Very frustrating, I figure we should have had at least a 3 season commitment by now.

If they did survive, one presumes they are working on rebuilding their bridge so they can get back to pestering people, not to mention collecting mana from their followers....
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