As altruistic as you are Tizzy : I Skaar may be right. My distaste for romantic nonsense aside someone more Toms level (yea, cause shes not a bazillion year old metaphysical entity) is good for him : I.

Your to kind =_=

Thank you both for recognizing my altruism and my kind and supportive nature.

So few beings ever recognize or acknowledge my good deeds; thus it means a great deal to me when they do!

Well...the expectation thing really only applies to the initial conjuring. Once a demon's form is set, it's pretty much set without a lot of undo influence.

On the other hand, not sure why one needs a lantern jaw, demons can see perfectly well in the dark, no need to have a lantern hanging from the bottom of one's head.

Look a bit weird I'd think.

Hmm, ghoulash??? Think you forgot the space.

We at Doom prefer the term UnLife.

Which will be explained in Book 3.

Very funny. I've seen him a couple times on Graham Norton, and I think James Cordon. I too seem to have a lot of phrases that I use that no one else does, some were family, some are things that stuck in my head from all my reading as a kid, and I just like odd catch phrases.

Now this apropos for the summer in that this is currently a huge discussion point around me as summer comes on. Pear cider made from 100% pears is called a perry. In fact we can't pass a "pear cider" in a store without inspecting it to find out their truth in advertising. Some of them are a combination of pear and apple ciders,and called pear cider, which is OK, but others call themselves 100% pear cider, but that is a contradiction, because that's not a cider, it's a perry.

Anyway, just funny that you posted this, given that has been a big topic among my friends and I lately.

Different infections, different mechanisms.

Vampires only need blood, Ghouls need flesh, very fresh flesh, preferably still living fresh.



As to more powerful, well, they are people after all and various people have different strengths.

Both have different "handicaps" if you will.

Vampires, don't like sunlight, but their eating habits are relatively straightforward to maintain. They also like the dirt of their grave for some reason. Unless they are a mana wielder, however, they do not turn into bats or wolves or anything like that. They are extremely hard to kill however.

Ghouls can operate whenever they want, but their eating habits are messier and harder to clean up/hide/cover. They are also a bit tricky to kill, not as hard as a vampire, but still difficult, particularly if they are berserk with hunger.

Generally speaking, most people consider vampires to be more sophisticated and of higher social stature than ghouls; but that really could be the eating habit thing.

The thing is, a newbie vampire is a bit easier to hide than a newbie ghoul; again the eating habits.

An outbreak of ghoulism is generally quite nasty. In many cases they can be mistaken for a zombie outbreak.

Vampirism typically doesn't "break out" because there is the whole formal process of creating new vampires, where as ghoulism transmits very much like a disease.

So, typically, you do not see a lot of very experienced ghouls because they often don't survive long enough, unless protected by someone more senior (like a senior vampire)

That being said, I know of tales of very senior people becoming inflicted with ghoulism. Typically nobility or very rich persons who can hide their eating habits from the general public. These folks are generally the most dangerous of ghouls because if they feed well, you don't know they are ghouls, however, their needs create motivations that make them very dangerous.

Well, I wasn't there, so all I know is what I read in book 1, but it was both.

Vampires create ghouls sometimes on purpose, sometimes by hastiness. Ghouls can also spread the disease if they don't completely consume/kill their victims. Sort of like a werewolf bite.

Actually, if the ghoul lops off an appendage and eats it, the victim can typically run away and be safe, just missing the appendage. But if the ghoul takes a bite out of you, there is a good chance his/her saliva and particularly their blood (if they are bleeding or have open mouth sores etc which the ones in bad repair typically do) will infect you and you will eventually succumb.

Now, vampires who drain their victims beyond a certain point, but who don't kill them or turn them (drink the master's blood and then bury them for a while to suffocate them) will leave a ghoul as a remnant.

So in some sense, ghouls are vampire leftovers. There has not been a lot of "scientific studies" but likely it is "sparked" by the animus drain, and an infection of antimus from the vampire's saliva, etc that causes this infection.

So anyway, in the case that Talarius was dealing with, Sir Etrian (who is the brother of Sir Etrias another KRoT) fell under the sway of a vampire who turned Sir Etrian into a vampire; who sort of went on a half cocked power trip treating the village Talarius was at in Book 1 as a buffet table.

Word reached Arch-Vicar General Barabus who dispatched Talarius to deal with Sir Etrian and clean up the mess. Talarius is introduced as he finishes cleaning up the mess.

The situation, in Talarius' mind at least, was similar to what he believes happened to his love, the High Priestess Melissance a few years prior.

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It'll be interesting to say the least! Of course its all Tom's fault. As the reincarnation of the Demon Prince Orcus he is fully capable of plotting the capture of Talarius, Knight Rampants Lady love thousands of years ago. From oblivion. For some nefarious purpose. : I