Took me a minute to digest the context. Did not realize it was in the OOA forum. So didn't know what you were yaying at first. I use the most recent links to read topics...

Yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot lately, which is distracting, because I need to be focusing on book IV and Into the Wilds but it's really been creeping up on me lately.

On flight to Xmas, I watch "The Last Kingdom" and am now finally getting around to Vikings. Both are excellent stories set 200 years apart about vikings raiding England.

But really the vikings and their society are so very much like the modern orc concept (post Tolkien) that it's freaky. And so got me wanting to focus on Orc stories even more!

Hmm, vOrcings? I love the sound of that, but can you have barbarian orcs? That would imply there are civilized ones.

Of course, Orcopolis is a pretty civilized sort of place, so, there is an example of Urban Orcs, and such.

Yes, true. As you allude, the word barbarian in latin comes from the fact that these guys didn't speak Latin, and their language sounded like the bah bah of sheep in the field, the fact that they dressed like sheep in giant furry coats/mantles didn't help.

I think for me, the "Raider" mentality is more what symbolized the barbarian sort of mentality. I.e. a lack of respect for the overall rule of law.

The vikings had laws within their own society, but cared nothing for laws outside their society. For everyone that was not them, it was all might makes right. If you can't defende it, I am entitled to take it.

Now, that being said, that is not the view of all orcs, nor, I suspect even most. There are probably as many human raiders as there are orc raiders on most worlds. However, that is what the elves have been saying across the multiverse, smearing the orcs.

And in fact, that is where we come back to the language. Orcs have trouble speaking human/elven languages because of their teeth, thus when speaking Trade, they sound like dull witted brutes. Like Bah bahrians...

I should think so.

Jaquesparrow? Are you saying the man is not an immortal? He really should be dead by now. In fact, I think he was dead in the first movie, yes?

:)

Now, torn. Do I go continue watching Vikings, or watch Warrcraft? I skipped it in the theaters due to bad reviews and other stuff out at same time. But bought it this week once the price got reasonable. However, i bought it late and night and was thinking it would be too loud for the neighbors upstairs.

He watched Warcraft and Vikings in that time. I know this because I steal my cable off of him and unfortunately, I can only intercept what he watches since I have to attach to a video output on his TV due to scrambling.

The sporks are moving along, but he keeps going back and forth across all three books which slows stuff down. Just write one and finish it dang it!

I could imagine civilised and barbarian orcs living side by side, after all humans did it for quite a while though barbarian can be used loosely in context of both humans and orcs because there has to be some sort of society therefore culture. Ehhh, I guess. Would love to beta again for all three. Glad to see that at least something's on this planet are not going to shit.

Does an ICBM with a nuclear war head count as terrorising?

Also being India living right next to Pakistan is a great way to feel scared I have nothing against Pakistani people but I have no faith in their government or their army, but I agree drop ships are definitely scarier. I mean bombs in marketplaces vaporise you. Orcs dismember you. Important difference. I would love to see that happen, the confrontation between two races. Crazy.